[fontforge-users] FontForge Funding (Dual Post)

[Frank Trampe]

Hi, folks.

As many of you know, FontForge lost its main funding source almost two
years ago now. I've been working on a volunteer basis, but my availability
has been rather low since I'm forced to focus on paying work. Likewise, I'm
not going to as many typography/graphics conferences now that I'm paying
out-of-pocket.

Given that we got over 100,000 downloads for the last release, I'm starting
to think that it would be worthwhile to try raising money to support
accelerated development.

The baseline would involve just putting donate buttons on the release and
download pages, but I've heard a few other ideas. So there are a few
questions to be asked.

- How much is ongoing development of FontForge worth to each of you?
- In which areas would you like that ongoing development to be (fixing
this, adding that, ...)?
- Does adding a donate button seem like the right approach? If we ask
for money on a per-release basis, what's the right amount? $5?
- Are there any other ideas?
- Are there any potential corporate sponsors/partners that I ought to
try to engage?
- Is anybody involved with a non-profit organization willing and able to
act as the "umbrella" (the handler of funds)?


Let me know.

Best wishes,

Frank

[Dave Crossland]

I like the ardour.org approach

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[Abraham Lee]

Dave,

Post by Dave Crossland
I like the ardour.org approach

It took me a bit to find anything, but are you referring to what they have
on this page (right hand side): http://community.ardour.org/community? I
like that idea. Any idea what becoming a "subscriber" means? It says free
upgrades, but is it more than that? I'm only wondering if there are other
"perks" they are offering or is it just a way for people to be recurring
funders? Either way, I like it, with or without perks. As a tool that
allows one to do their job, I don't think there needs to be perks. Having
the software is a perk.

Best,
Abraham

[Dave Crossland]

I mean http://community.ardour.org/download :)

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[Abraham Lee]

Post by Dave Crossland
I mean http://community.ardour.org/download :)

Ah! I didn't actually try to download it before I sent my last message.
Makes sense now. Thanks for clarifying!

[m***@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca]

Three clicks into the "download" process, with no prior warning, Ardour
hits me with a demand for money. There's no way I would give money to a
project that did that; it comes across as bait and switch.

The idea of charging a fee for binaries may make sense as far as that
goes, but I hope it would be presented to users in pretty much the
opposite of the way the Ardour Web site does it: namely, with the price
visible before the first click.

[Jason Pagura]

For as long as possible I hope we can keep payment demands to the level of
voluntary donations, and clearly stated as such. Remember there are
designers in the world for whom even a $1 USD payment would be a hardship,
at least initially.

Post by m***@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca
Three clicks into the "download" process, with no prior warning, Ardour
hits me with a demand for money. There's no way I would give money to a
project that did that; it comes across as bait and switch.
The idea of charging a fee for binaries may make sense as far as that
goes, but I hope it would be presented to users in pretty much the
opposite of the way the Ardour Web site does it: namely, with the price
visible before the first click.
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[Dave Crossland]

Post by Jason Pagura
For as long as possible I hope we can keep payment demands to the level of
voluntary donations, and clearly stated as such. Remember there are
designers in the world for whom even a $1 USD payment would be a hardship,
at least initially.

Those designers benefit from FF being improved, and I think having them
type in their amount is 0 not the suggest $100 is fine.

[Abraham Lee]

Post by Dave Crossland

Post by Jason Pagura
For as long as possible I hope we can keep payment demands to the level
of voluntary donations, and clearly stated as such. Remember there are
designers in the world for whom even a $1 USD payment would be a hardship,
at least initially.

Those designers benefit from FF being improved, and I think having them
type in their amount is 0 not the suggest $100 is fine.

I completely agree. On a personal note, the more I use free software
(including FF), especially as it affects my livelihood, the more I realize
that some kind of payment back should be a no-brainer. I, for one, have
certainly benefited from FOSS software enough that I see the value in them
(and understand the effort to create and maintain them) which makes me
*want* to support those who develop them, even though I can't do as much as
I'd like.

Anyway, I guess that's just me rambling when I really could have just said,
"Thanks to everyone who helps develop FF!"

Best,
Abraham

[Frank Trampe]

It's good to be appreciated!

So, perhaps we could take a middle road between the Ardour approach and the
one we're testing. We would channel all downloads through a PayPal button,
with the success and cancellation handlers both pointing to the actual
download page. So nobody would be forced to pay, but everybody would be
forced to donate or to positively cancel the donation. From the front page,
this would be 4 clicks versus the present 2.

How does that sound?

Post by Abraham Lee

Post by Dave Crossland

Post by Jason Pagura
For as long as possible I hope we can keep payment demands to the level
of voluntary donations, and clearly stated as such. Remember there are
designers in the world for whom even a $1 USD payment would be a hardship,
at least initially.

Those designers benefit from FF being improved, and I think having them
type in their amount is 0 not the suggest $100 is fine.

I completely agree. On a personal note, the more I use free software
(including FF), especially as it affects my livelihood, the more I realize
that some kind of payment back should be a no-brainer. I, for one, have
certainly benefited from FOSS software enough that I see the value in them
(and understand the effort to create and maintain them) which makes me
*want* to support those who develop them, even though I can't do as much
as I'd like.
Anyway, I guess that's just me rambling when I really could have just
said, "Thanks to everyone who helps develop FF!"
Best,
Abraham
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[m***@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca]

Post by Frank Trampe
one we're testing. We would channel all downloads through a PayPal button,
with the success and cancellation handlers both pointing to the actual
download page. So nobody would be forced to pay, but everybody would be
forced to donate or to positively cancel the donation. From the front page,
this would be 4 clicks versus the present 2.
How does that sound?

Well, then I think the link that goes to that donation system should be
called "buy" rather than "download." I see it as a problem if users are
asked to pay, even with that being optional, in a way that comes as a
surprise.

[Frank Trampe]

The reason this adds two clicks is that I want to add an intermediate
landing page. If we just have a buy button, particularly with no price, it
would scare people away, which I want to avoid. This is the workflow I have
in mind.

- The front page has a download button for the detected
platform/architecture, and the main download page has links for all of
them. (Nothing changed here.) The user clicks the download button.
- An intermediate landing page has text like this. "FontForge is free,
but we want you at least to contemplate financially supporting it. Click
the button below, and, whether you donate or cancel, you can still download
FontForge."
- PayPal stuff happens and redirects to the system-specific download
page.
- The download happens on the actual download page.

Post by Frank Trampe

Post by Frank Trampe
one we're testing. We would channel all downloads through a PayPal

button,

Post by Frank Trampe
with the success and cancellation handlers both pointing to the actual
download page. So nobody would be forced to pay, but everybody would be
forced to donate or to positively cancel the donation. From the front

page,

Post by Frank Trampe
this would be 4 clicks versus the present 2.
How does that sound?

Well, then I think the link that goes to that donation system should be
called "buy" rather than "download." I see it as a problem if users are
asked to pay, even with that being optional, in a way that comes as a
surprise.
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[donJ]

Hi Dave,

I use Fontforge from time to time and would be happy to contribute to
the project. But on your web page, it appears that the only way to
donate is to create a Paypal account. If there were a way that you could
directly charge a card, or accept something else, I would send a
donation. I do not want to use Paypal.


Don

Post by Jason Pagura
For as long as possible I hope we can keep payment demands to the
level of voluntary donations, and clearly stated as such. Remember
there are designers in the world for whom even a $1 USD payment
would be a hardship, at least initially.
Those designers benefit from FF being improved, and I think having
them type in their amount is 0 not the suggest $100 is fine.
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[Dave Crossland]

Post by donJ
I use Fontforge from time to time and would be happy to contribute to
the project. But on your web page, it appears that the only way to
donate is to create a Paypal account. If there were a way that you could
directly charge a card, or accept something else, I would send a
donation. I do not want to use Paypal.

In this case you could donate to TUG, which has a libre font fund used for
FontForge.

https://www.tug.org/fonts/librefontfund.html

[Frank Trampe]

PayPal supports credit card transactions without creating an account.

Post by Dave Crossland

Post by donJ
I use Fontforge from time to time and would be happy to contribute to
the project. But on your web page, it appears that the only way to
donate is to create a Paypal account. If there were a way that you could
directly charge a card, or accept something else, I would send a
donation. I do not want to use Paypal.

In this case you could donate to TUG, which has a libre font fund used for
FontForge.
https://www.tug.org/fonts/librefontfund.html
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[m***@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca]

Post by Frank Trampe
PayPal supports credit card transactions without creating an account.

How universally true is that? I've certainly made payments with Paypal
and without creating an account, but I've never found it easy to do - it
always routes me through a screen that pressures me to create an account.
On one recent occasion I had to pay a conference fee with Paypal and it
did NOT appear to be possible to complete the transaction at all without
creating a Paypal account. I don't know if it depends on the account type
of the payee, or on what country the payer is in, or what, but it
certainly looks to me like supporting payers who don't want to create
accounts may require some extra attention.

[Frank Trampe]

I checked, and, at least from my American locale, the donate button that
I've used allows for credit card transactions even in absence of a PayPal
account.

We've gotten several thousand downloads over the past week, and we
collected about $18, but, due to the low average transaction amount, we
lost $1.84 to fees for a total of $16.16 spendable.

As discussed, I've moved the download for each platform to a separate page
so that the user is forced to click past the donate button rather than just
scroll. We'll see whether this affects yields.

Post by m***@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca

Post by Frank Trampe
PayPal supports credit card transactions without creating an account.

How universally true is that? I've certainly made payments with Paypal
and without creating an account, but I've never found it easy to do - it
always routes me through a screen that pressures me to create an account.
On one recent occasion I had to pay a conference fee with Paypal and it
did NOT appear to be possible to complete the transaction at all without
creating a Paypal account. I don't know if it depends on the account type
of the payee, or on what country the payer is in, or what, but it
certainly looks to me like supporting payers who don't want to create
accounts may require some extra attention.
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[Dave Crossland]

At that conversion rate with 100,000 downloads per release its 2k per
release.

We should have a mailing list for Dowloaders to tell them about new
releases and upsell donations

[donJ]

Post by donJ
I use Fontforge from time to time and would be happy to contribute to
the project. But on your web page, it appears that the only way to
donate is to create a Paypal account. If there were a way that you could
directly charge a card, or accept something else, I would send a
donation. I do not want to use Paypal.
In this case you could donate to TUG, which has a libre font fund used
for FontForge.
https://www.tug.org/fonts/librefontfund.html

Thanks Dave,
It appears to have worked.

Don

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[Pander]

Please add the possibility to donate via Flattr. Also suggest to users that ask when a certain bug or feature is done to put a bounty on the issue with Bounty Source.

Post by donJ

Post by donJ
I use Fontforge from time to time and would be happy to

contribute to

Post by donJ
the project. But on your web page, it appears that the only way

to

Post by donJ
donate is to create a Paypal account. If there were a way that

you

Post by donJ
could
directly charge a card, or accept something else, I would send a
donation. I do not want to use Paypal.
In this case you could donate to TUG, which has a libre font fund

used

Post by donJ
for FontForge.
https://www.tug.org/fonts/librefontfund.html

Thanks Dave,
It appears to have worked.
Don
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[Abraham Lee]

I just remembered that LibreOffice does it this way: Click on the download
link and you are redirected to another page that allows you to donate if
you desire while simultaneously starts the download.

No force, no pressure.

Users can still be prompted with something like

"Thanks for downloading! Fontforge development and maintenance is done by
volunteers and we could use your help. Donations are purely optional, but
really help in giving us time to fix bugs, add new features, and support
our user base on the forums..."

followed by some specific money amounts for people to choose from, and
possibly a "custom" value field.

Just a thought.

- Abraham

P.S. I just thought I'd see what the latest flow is like to download FF and
I must say that I didn't love being prompted over and over and over again
for a donation before I could get the FREE software. It kind of feels like
the "Are you sure you want to quit?" > "Are you REALLY sure you want to
quit?" questions that some apps do. SUPER ANNOYING! I'm pretty sure that
one time is enough, but maybe it's just me.

If I could edit what is currently there, I'd change the download page (a
single page) to include three main things:

1. A section to allow for users to enter donations (one-time or recurring)
2. A section to select the desired binary/source to download (or have it
start automatically)
3. A section that (briefly) paints the picture of who is supporting FF and
describes the need for donations. Note: this section should express LOTS of
gratitude for doc writing, translations, bug reports, general feedback,
feature requests, donations, code contributions, and any other support.
IMO, this is what will drive people to contribute; not being pressured
multiple times to do so.

P.P.S. THANK YOU!!! to everyone who supports the development of this great
program. It has literally changed my life and given me the opportunity to
express myself in a way I have been wanting to for many years. I couldn't
pay for the other font editors when I started. Now that I can, I don't want
to because I have FF and I want to support its continued development. I
can't imagine I'm the only one out there who feels this way.

Post by Pander
Please add the possibility to donate via Flattr. Also suggest to users
that ask when a certain bug or feature is done to put a bounty on the issue
with Bounty Source.

Post by donJ

Post by donJ
I use Fontforge from time to time and would be happy to

contribute to

Post by donJ
the project. But on your web page, it appears that the only way

to

Post by donJ
donate is to create a Paypal account. If there were a way that

you

Post by donJ
could
directly charge a card, or accept something else, I would send a
donation. I do not want to use Paypal.
In this case you could donate to TUG, which has a libre font fund

used

Post by donJ
for FontForge.
https://www.tug.org/fonts/librefontfund.html

Thanks Dave,
It appears to have worked.
Don
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[Frank Trampe]

I added the second level of nagging without removing the first. If it comes
off as irritating, I can certainly pull the download button off of the main
download page perhaps. I'd be curious to hear what other folks think.

Even with two levels of nagging, we're collecting less than half a cent per
download.

We're sort of constrained workflow-wise by the way markdown and PayPal
work. We can inline HTML and JavaScript, but then things start to get
complicated.

On the topic of FontForge itself, I know that a lot of people give
FontForge a try because it's free, but I'd like to think that it matches or
exceeds its paid competition in features and stability. Are there any
things present in other products that you find missing or lacking in
FontForge?

Post by Abraham Lee
I just remembered that LibreOffice does it this way: Click on the download
link and you are redirected to another page that allows you to donate if
you desire while simultaneously starts the download.
No force, no pressure.
Users can still be prompted with something like
"Thanks for downloading! Fontforge development and maintenance is done by
volunteers and we could use your help. Donations are purely optional, but
really help in giving us time to fix bugs, add new features, and support
our user base on the forums..."
followed by some specific money amounts for people to choose from, and
possibly a "custom" value field.
Just a thought.
- Abraham
P.S. I just thought I'd see what the latest flow is like to download FF
and I must say that I didn't love being prompted over and over and over
again for a donation before I could get the FREE software. It kind of feels
like the "Are you sure you want to quit?" > "Are you REALLY sure you want
to quit?" questions that some apps do. SUPER ANNOYING! I'm pretty sure that
one time is enough, but maybe it's just me.
If I could edit what is currently there, I'd change the download page (a
1. A section to allow for users to enter donations (one-time or recurring)
2. A section to select the desired binary/source to download (or have it
start automatically)
3. A section that (briefly) paints the picture of who is supporting FF and
describes the need for donations. Note: this section should express LOTS of
gratitude for doc writing, translations, bug reports, general feedback,
feature requests, donations, code contributions, and any other support.
IMO, this is what will drive people to contribute; not being pressured
multiple times to do so.
P.P.S. THANK YOU!!! to everyone who supports the development of this great
program. It has literally changed my life and given me the opportunity to
express myself in a way I have been wanting to for many years. I couldn't
pay for the other font editors when I started. Now that I can, I don't want
to because I have FF and I want to support its continued development. I
can't imagine I'm the only one out there who feels this way.

Post by Pander
Please add the possibility to donate via Flattr. Also suggest to users
that ask when a certain bug or feature is done to put a bounty on the issue
with Bounty Source.

Post by donJ

Post by donJ
I use Fontforge from time to time and would be happy to

contribute to

Post by donJ
the project. But on your web page, it appears that the only way

to

Post by donJ
donate is to create a Paypal account. If there were a way that

you

Post by donJ
could
directly charge a card, or accept something else, I would send a
donation. I do not want to use Paypal.
In this case you could donate to TUG, which has a libre font fund

used

Post by donJ
for FontForge.
https://www.tug.org/fonts/librefontfund.html

Thanks Dave,
It appears to have worked.
Don
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[Dave Crossland]

Are there any things present in other products that you find missing or
lacking in FontForge?

- UX Design

- Extensibility (especially of the UI)

[Dave Crossland]

Post by Frank Trampe
On the topic of FontForge itself, I know that a lot of people give
FontForge a try because it's free, but I'd like to think that it matches or
exceeds its paid competition in features and stability

A comparison table showing the cost of licensing other editors would be
great to add to the pages asking for the donation :)

[Abraham Lee]

Post by Dave Crossland

Post by Frank Trampe
On the topic of FontForge itself, I know that a lot of people give
FontForge a try because it's free, but I'd like to think that it matches or
exceeds its paid competition in features and stability

A comparison table showing the cost of licensing other editors would be
great to add to the pages asking for the donation :)

+1

[Abraham Lee]

Post by Frank Trampe
On the topic of FontForge itself, I know that a lot of people give
FontForge a try because it's free, but I'd like to think that it matches or
exceeds its paid competition in features and stability. Are there any
things present in other products that you find missing or lacking in
FontForge?

Which competitors are worth comparing? Maybe:

- FontForge
- Fontlab Studio
- Fontographer
- Font Creator
- Glyphs
- Robofont

Which others should be included?

--
Abraham

[Frank Trampe]

I like these price points!

Post by Abraham Lee

Post by Frank Trampe
On the topic of FontForge itself, I know that a lot of people give
FontForge a try because it's free, but I'd like to think that it matches or
exceeds its paid competition in features and stability. Are there any
things present in other products that you find missing or lacking in
FontForge?

- FontForge
- Fontlab Studio
- Fontographer
- Font Creator
- Glyphs
- Robofont
Which others should be included?
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Post by Frank Trampe
On the topic of FontForge itself, I know that a lot of people give
FontForge a try because it's free, but I'd like to think that it
matches or exceeds its paid competition in features and stability.
Are there any things present in other products that you find missing
or lacking in FontForge?
- FontForge
- Fontlab Studio
- Fontographer
- Font Creator
- Glyphs
- Robofont
Which others should be included?

I have improved
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Comparison_of_font_editors as much
as I could to my knowledge. Please add details to the tables, preferably
with references, in order to resubmit this page for inclusion in Wikipedia.

In the first table was also a listing of the prices, but those are not
allowed in Wikipedia, so I removed that column. When this objective
comparison is (more) complete, we can resubmit it and use it as a source
for a comparison on FontForge's website.

Post by Frank Trampe
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[Frank Trampe]

I don't know what the objective metrics would be for font editors other
than operating system support and license as already included. Others?

Post by Pander

Post by Frank Trampe
On the topic of FontForge itself, I know that a lot of people give
FontForge a try because it's free, but I'd like to think that it
matches or exceeds its paid competition in features and stability.
Are there any things present in other products that you find missing
or lacking in FontForge?
- FontForge
- Fontlab Studio
- Fontographer
- Font Creator
- Glyphs
- Robofont
Which others should be included?

I have improved
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Comparison_of_font_editors as much
as I could to my knowledge. Please add details to the tables, preferably
with references, in order to resubmit this page for inclusion in Wikipedia.
In the first table was also a listing of the prices, but those are not
allowed in Wikipedia, so I removed that column. When this objective
comparison is (more) complete, we can resubmit it and use it as a source
for a comparison on FontForge's website.

Post by Frank Trampe
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Abraham
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[m***@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca]

I don't know what the objective metrics would be for font editors other than
operating system support and license as already included. Others?

I care about correct overlap removal, but that's me.

[Frank Trampe]

That seems tough to use as an objective metric, but how does FontForge
compare on that front?

Post by m***@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca

Post by Frank Trampe
I don't know what the objective metrics would be for font editors other

than

Post by Frank Trampe
operating system support and license as already included. Others?

I care about correct overlap removal, but that's me.
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Post by Frank Trampe
That seems tough to use as an objective metric,

Seems to me it's about the most objective possible metric: put in some
splines, try to remove the overlaps, see if what comes out is correct.
There's no matter of opinion involved. It either does or doesn't produce
correct results.

Post by Frank Trampe
but how does FontForge compare on that front?

No failures for a long time, but I recently encountered #2774.

[Dave Crossland]

Post by m***@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca

Post by Frank Trampe
That seems tough to use as an objective metric,

Seems to me it's about the most objective possible metric: put in some
splines, try to remove the overlaps, see if what comes out is correct.
There's no matter of opinion involved. It either does or doesn't produce
correct results.

Agree

Post by m***@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca

Post by Frank Trampe
but how does FontForge compare on that front?

No failures for a long time, but I recently encountered #2774.

:)

[Frank Trampe]

I'm not familiar with Flattr, but it looks like it's for content. Is there
a software project that uses it that we could use as a reference for button
placement and workflow?

Post by Pander
Please add the possibility to donate via Flattr. Also suggest to users
that ask when a certain bug or feature is done to put a bounty on the issue
with Bounty Source.

Post by donJ

Post by donJ
I use Fontforge from time to time and would be happy to

contribute to

Post by donJ
the project. But on your web page, it appears that the only way

to

Post by donJ
donate is to create a Paypal account. If there were a way that

you

Post by donJ
could
directly charge a card, or accept something else, I would send a
donation. I do not want to use Paypal.
In this case you could donate to TUG, which has a libre font fund

used

Post by donJ
for FontForge.
https://www.tug.org/fonts/librefontfund.html

Thanks Dave,
It appears to have worked.
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Flattr can be used for FOSS, see also https://flattr.com/about and https://www.gimp.org/donating/

Post by Frank Trampe
I'm not familiar with Flattr, but it looks like it's for content. Is there
a software project that uses it that we could use as a reference for button
placement and workflow?

Post by Pander
Please add the possibility to donate via Flattr. Also suggest to

users

Post by Pander
that ask when a certain bug or feature is done to put a bounty on the

issue

Post by Pander
with Bounty Source.

Post by donJ

Post by donJ
I use Fontforge from time to time and would be happy to

contribute to

Post by donJ
the project. But on your web page, it appears that the only

way

Post by Pander

Post by donJ
to

Post by donJ
donate is to create a Paypal account. If there were a way that

you

Post by donJ
could
directly charge a card, or accept something else, I would send

a

Post by Pander

Post by donJ

Post by donJ
donation. I do not want to use Paypal.
In this case you could donate to TUG, which has a libre font fund

used

Post by donJ
for FontForge.
https://www.tug.org/fonts/librefontfund.html

Thanks Dave,
It appears to have worked.
Don
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Okay. Where in the current workflow would you suggest putting the Flattr
button? Would we put it below the PayPal button wherever it appears?

Post by Pander
Flattr can be used for FOSS, see also https://flattr.com/about and
https://www.gimp.org/donating/

Post by Frank Trampe
I'm not familiar with Flattr, but it looks like it's for content. Is
there a software project that uses it that we could use as a reference for
button placement and workflow?

Post by Pander
Please add the possibility to donate via Flattr. Also suggest to users
that ask when a certain bug or feature is done to put a bounty on the issue
with Bounty Source.

Post by donJ

Post by donJ
I use Fontforge from time to time and would be happy to

contribute to

Post by donJ
the project. But on your web page, it appears that the only way

to

Post by donJ
donate is to create a Paypal account. If there were a way that

you

Post by donJ
could
directly charge a card, or accept something else, I would send a
donation. I do not want to use Paypal.
In this case you could donate to TUG, which has a libre font fund

used

Post by donJ
for FontForge.
https://www.tug.org/fonts/librefontfund.html

Thanks Dave,
It appears to have worked.
Don
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Post by Frank Trampe
Would we put it below the PayPal button wherever it appears?

Sounds good

[Pander]

As far as I am concerned on every page in either header or footer. They have a widget with a counter that shows how many people flattr it.

Post by Frank Trampe
Okay. Where in the current workflow would you suggest putting the Flattr
button? Would we put it below the PayPal button wherever it appears?

Post by Pander
Flattr can be used for FOSS, see also https://flattr.com/about and
https://www.gimp.org/donating/
On 1 September 2016 16:29:30 CEST, Frank Trampe

Post by Frank Trampe
I'm not familiar with Flattr, but it looks like it's for content. Is
there a software project that uses it that we could use as a

reference for

Post by Pander

Post by Frank Trampe
button placement and workflow?
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 2:25 AM, Pander

Post by Pander
Please add the possibility to donate via Flattr. Also suggest to

users

Post by Pander

Post by Frank Trampe

Post by Pander
that ask when a certain bug or feature is done to put a bounty on

the issue

Post by Pander

Post by Frank Trampe

Post by Pander
with Bounty Source.

Post by donJ

Post by donJ
I use Fontforge from time to time and would be happy to

contribute to

Post by donJ
the project. But on your web page, it appears that the only

way

Post by Pander

Post by Frank Trampe

Post by Pander

Post by donJ
to

Post by donJ
donate is to create a Paypal account. If there were a way

that

Post by Pander

Post by Frank Trampe

Post by Pander

Post by donJ
you

Post by donJ
could
directly charge a card, or accept something else, I would

send a

Post by Pander

Post by Frank Trampe

Post by Pander

Post by donJ

Post by donJ
donation. I do not want to use Paypal.
In this case you could donate to TUG, which has a libre font

fund

Post by Pander

Post by Frank Trampe

Post by Pander

Post by donJ
used

Post by donJ
for FontForge.
https://www.tug.org/fonts/librefontfund.html

Thanks Dave,
It appears to have worked.
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For now, I've decided to experiment with just putting a donate button on
the download page. I want to be sure that we exhaust all revenue options
that don't adversely impact users before doing anything disruptive.

If we do end up charging for binaries (And I really hope we don't need to
do that!), we'll count past donations towards purchases retroactively.

But let's keep this discussion open; we haven't heard from many people yet.

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I like the ardour.org approach
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